Under-Value-d?

Is there more to Valuev than meets the eye?

Last updated: 3rd November 2009  

Under-Value-d?

Valuev: has the belt, but does he have the skills

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David Haye stands on the verge of heavyweight glory.

The Hayemaker will take on giant WBA champion, Nikolai Valuev, in Nuremberg on November 7, live on Sky Box Office.

As ever, the Sky Sports team of Jim Watt, Glenn McCrory, Nicky Piper and Johnny Nelson, will be on hand to give you their expert opinions come fight night, but first skysports.com has brought the panel together to set the scene...

SKYSPORTS.COM: We've looked at the problems Valuev's size will present, but is it not a little more complex than that? Are people wrong just to dismiss the giant Russian as a physical freak? What about his skills as a fighter?

JIM WATT: Valuev has learned one way and he's always done what he's done. It might not be spectacular but remember when George Foreman came back to win the world title again at 44? Well, he could no longer do the things he could first time round, but he knew how to use what he had at the time.

He knew he wasn't going to be able to stop people the way he used to, but learned to impose himself more on the opposition. Valuev knows what he's got and he knows what he can do; that is stopping the other guy fighting, using that huge weight to tire them out. He has gone the distance so many times because he knows that, because of his size, he can just exhaust the smaller guys, round-by-round. The longer this fight goes the more it will suit Valuev.

NICKY PIPER:He is certainly more than a big lump, that's for sure. He might not have the sensational power but with his sheer physical dimensions, you have to worry about David walking on to any shot. That said, it's usually the punch you don't see that knocks you out and because Valuev doesn't have great speed, he doesn't have a great knockout record - his opponents will get that split-second extra to brace themselves and take his shots better.

But, the old adage that the bigger they are, the harder they fall rings true in boxing and I can't even remember Valuev being wobbled. His chin is obviously pretty good and is stamina has to be good when you look at the amount of times he has gone the distance and come out on top. He uses his size well and is clever in the way he fights; it's typical of the old Eastern Bloc countries and the way they train their fighters. They tend to look at a guy's physique rather than his talent or individual flair and prepare him accordingly - almost like building a robot. They do what they need to to get the best out of a boxer's strengths and with a guy this size, they seem to have done the right thing.

JOHNNY NELSON: Even though he is a big, big fella, he's a little bit faster than people think. He stands his ground - as you'd expect - and doesn't really use the ring, and he will try and square you up. What impresses me most though, is like the boys say, the way he knows how to use his attributes.

Regardless of him being a limited technician, he knows how to use his weight and height and sheer size. You are not going to beat him on strength, whoever you are, it has to be handspeed and more importantly footspeed. If David gets drawn into a straight up fight, there is only one winner. But, Valuev might well be used to going 12 rounds but I could not train for a year and stand there punching for 12 rounds if you came to me.

GLENN McCRORY: Yes, Valuev is a beast of a man and should not be dismissed as a freak of nature, but he can be beaten - and he can be beaten by the smaller guys. We saw Ruslan Chagaev, who with the best will in the world is a good, strong guy, but took a battering off Wladimir Klitschko, who got inside, worked him and beat him, so this it is not impossible.

And David has one vital asset - speed. He can hit hard as well and although it is going to be hard to get inside that huge reach, I am sure he has the movement and footwork to do it. There is a vulnerability to Valuev because as big as he is, when you see him fight, he is not the absolute beast you would expect from a man of his size. He certainly doesn't have massive one-punch power.

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Austin Mitchell says...

Haye's speed is undoubtly the big advantage he has. Whilst there has been alot of talk around Valuev not being that slow he certainly isn't that quick! Haye should see him coming. Valuev does look leaner than he ever has been and i think it would be wise for Haye to look at working and testin that body. Particularly like mentioned above because Valuev keeps his hands high and that means that bodies a target, a big target. I hope Haye doesnt go head hunting for the whole fight, despite his obvious knock out power he is fighting an opponent like no other and the fact he hasn't been knocked down in over 50 fights shows that he is difficult to stop. I think he has a great chance and as much as i'd love to see him knock Valuev out, but if he boxes and moves he could see out a good points victory. If he under-estimates Valuev tho and goes for that knock out all night then it could go horrible wrong and be a very dissapointing night. Lets hope not. Haye all the way.

Posted 15:00 5th November 2009

Conor Mcenoy says...

David Haye should win this fight hands down, there is no chance this is going 12 rounds if you look at david hayes pro career he has went the distance once, he just knocks out who is put in front of him, he has explosive punching power and fast fast hands, they say in boxing its not the power that knocks you out its the speed of the punch, well haye has both in abundance, Valuev has never fought anyone of Hayes calibre, haye is on the up and i'm looking forward to him being around the heavyweight division for a good fews years to come. Haye by stoppage or KO before the 10th

Posted 10:21 5th November 2009

Gary Roper says...

Haye has to win by stoppage, he will not get a points decision in Germany. He needs to adopt the same tactics that Evander Holyfield used so well against Valuev, namely, keep moving, go to the body, get in and get out. Holyfield was very unlucky against Valuev, but he showed smaller fighters how to win against a giant of a man. If Haye goes all out for a stoppage early, he will blow himself out, the size of Valuev will nullify Hayes speed, basically it will be like hitting a brick wall. I hope Haye wins but he has to win every round big. Good luck to Haye, he will need all the luck he can get in Germany.

Posted 15:44 4th November 2009

Ben Quartermain says...

I really hope David wins this, I think it'll be good for boxing if he does but, I just can see it happening. If Haye cant knock him out in the first three rounds (which I dont believe he can) then it'll go the distance and Valuev will grind out the points win. All the best to David Haye, rather you than me!

Posted 09:03 4th November 2009

Gary Gary says...

Firstly it will be a massive bonus for Britain to have a Heavy weight champ again. Its been far to long a stagnant weight with has beens coming back to make a quick buck to pay the bills and welfare!! The Klitchkos have got the weight in their pocket- pulling all the strings from Germany , hand picking bouts that will notch up their records. This has to stop!! Lets get behind David Haye and hope he can go onto knocking the two brothers out after!!! On an end note, Valuev to his credit seems a pretty cool guy- quite tame and humble and just wants to box and read his books. He shouldnt by any means be underestimated as the quiter man sometimes can be the more destructive!!! Best of luck to the Hayemaker!!

Posted 23:16 3rd November 2009

Ian Gardner says...

Valuev looked much leaner than when i've seen him before. This could be a good or bad sign Bad - because he might be more mobile and faster Good - because it might compromise his strength/stamina if he's fighting at a weight he's not used to. This contest is getting more and more fascinating all the time. Does anyone think Haye could be bluffing about going for the ko and might purely try to box in a hit and not be hit manner? I certainly thing that using his speed to frustrate Valuev is in Haye's thinking as it will (if all goes to plan) A - create openings for himself B - Tire Valuev , purely by making him expend energy One thing i worry about re Haye is how he'll be affected psychologically if he catched Valuev clean with a big shot and it has no effect.

Posted 21:18 3rd November 2009

Peter Thomas says...

I think Glenn McCrory is right, if David can nip in and out using his pace getting in some body shots he will bring down Nikolai to his level, then he can hopefuly finish him off! Best of luck to David

Posted 18:02 3rd November 2009

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